Saturday, January 10, 2009

Does anybody care whether or not I believe in gods?

I haven't posted anything for about 3 weeks, as I was on vacation again and couldn't be bothered to prepare any posts in advance. When I came back, I had this helpful comment on my post about The Atheist's Riddle.

I'll put the anonymous commenter's text in blue, with my comments in black.

His argument is completely invalid.

Yep, it is.

And so is yours in the exact same way...

Gee, thanks Sherlock! You must be a Rhodes Scholar. You think, just possibly, that was the entire point of my response? I was countering his argument in exactly the same way so that he can say it isn't... ah, forget it.

Grow up and live your life.

Live my life? That's funny. You think I do this full-time? I have the best life, and am the happiest person, of anybody I know. I have a Master's degree in science. I have a beautiful girlfriend. I work only about 20 hours a week, and have 14 weeks of vacation a year, which I use to take 3 overseas trips a year. I saw the Great Wall of China, the Great Pyramid and the Taj Mahal, all in one year. It's even funnier, because I was on vacation when you wrote your comment. I was busy rappelling down a waterfall or something. My next vacation is in 10 weeks. After that, it's another 15 weeks. I have a skydiving licence and a scuba diving licence. Best of all, I'm free from things like mortgages, car loans and (most) financial worries.

I'd be happy to hear you tell me about how you live your life so much better than I do.

Nobody cares if you believe in God or not so stop making such a big deal about it.

Really? Nobody cares? Then why did my parents send me to Catholic school? Why did everybody, including even Hulk Hogan, tell me to say my prayers? Why do the fricking Christians keep coming to my door just to make sure that I'm saying my prayers? Why are there all of those Christian shows on TV? Why did they stuff Jesus flyers in my coat pocket when I was at work? Why does Al Qaeda release videos telling me to embrace Islam? Why does this page get about 1,000 views a month (a modest number, but well above my expectations when I started it)?

And more importantly, why is the world currently going through so much shit just because people have different religions? Sherlock, do you think that it's possible that people do care whether or not you believe in (their) gods? I'll make you a deal. You stop the religious TV shows, stop these people from coming to my door, stop the holy wars, and I'll shut down this website.

If you spend your whole life trying to disprove God then you have wasted it.

See above about my awesome life. But more to the point, I am not trying to disprove there are gods, nor have I ever claimed to have done so. Such a thing is impossible, as most gods are based on unfalsifiable claims.

If you are right, and there is no God, then good job... you can say i told you so.

Ummm... no. That's the worst thing about being an atheist. You'll never get to say, "I told you so". The religious people at least have that chance.

If you are wrong, you get to meet the man you spent your life denying.

This god is a man now?

Im not saying there is a God or isn't. Im saying arguing it is a waste of everyones fucking time.

Then why are you posting here?

Oh, you helpfully posted your email address!

Did I forget to say, "Thanks for visiting!"?

Edit: for an update on this idiot, and to see him embarrass himself even worse, check out my next post.


tina FCD said...

Now THAT'S funny!

Anonymous said...

Your email to me (maybe a generic response for activity on this site):
"it has come to my attention that you are a deeply disturbed, religiously deluded person.

I’m genuinely concerned about your intellectual well-being and want you to know about Do you want to spend the rest of your pathetic existence wallowing in clinical delusion, cowardice, weakness, gullibility and general intellectual inferiority? Well, you’re doomed to do so unless someone shakes coherence into your malfunctioning gray matter. And I’m here to do just that.

I suggest you start reading my website immediately and forward it to all of the other delusional god-believing people in your life. Being the coward that you are you probably won’t. But remember, GOD has commanded you to protect the faith -- and I’m here to destroy it. Do as you choose, coward.

It’s clear that you love to shove your god-delusion in everyone else’s face, and I think you need a moment of pause for it. Get ready, because here it comes. You can expect updates on a regular basis.

This email address does not receive incoming messages.

~The Godless Bastard"

1. Can you please explain to me why you would call a religious person a a weak, gullible coward with a clinical delusion and general intuectual inferiority?

2. In my previous post on the Atheists riddle, I would like to know how i shoved God in your face.

3. Religious shows on TV? Why don't you just change the channel to one of the many quality programs teaching children that violence is the answer to all of their problems. I don't really want to list all of the other shit that rampant on the airwaves because Im sure you could find it by turning on your TV.

4. Are you not shoving your pathetic and lonely views into other's faces the same way that those Christians are "forcing" it down your throat?

5. Concerning your reply to my comment on the riddle, are you naive enough to believe that there are not religious people that are just as (if not more) successful as you? Do you attribute your three overseas vacations a year to your belief that there is no higher power? " I have a skydiving licence and a scuba diving licence. Best of all, I'm free from things like mortgages, car loans and (most) financial worries." Im happy for you, there are no other people in the world that have achieved this much success.


Admin said...

No, dude. That email you included is from the Godless Bastard. I am not him. We've emailed each other occasionally, but I am definitely not him. He has his own website Have you been harassing him too? You seem a little confused. Get a clue.

As for the rest of your comment, "No you fool!" I do not think I am the most successful person on the planet. But to tell me to go live my life is absolutely stupid. I am sure I'm living my life better than you. Now fuck off!

Admin said...

Ha, you are a Rhodes Scholar, aren't you? What a smart person! Blaming me for an email from the Godless Bastard. Idiot!

Anonymous said...

He's wrong (a) logically, because I care.


(b) because someday you might end up married to that girlfriend of yours and you might have children and you'll want make sure that your children aren't forced to live their lives under a theocratic dictator or worse denied medical treatment because of some obscure verse some idiot's "holy" book.

Health Symptoms said...

Whats going on here? People are blaming each others.

Thomas said...

So, I know this may be a bit old to reply to, but I just found this and thought it was pretty interesting and I have two ideas to put forth.

The first is minor, but seeing as how this seems to be a page dedicated to logic, I figured I'd mention it. Atheism is the absence of theism, the belief in a diety of some sort. Well, just because one is atheist does not preclude that there is no sort of afterlife of any kind. I can believe this is all a dream, or a computer program run in an ultimately godless universe, hence, suggesting there may be some sort of life after death. However, you claim that the worst part about being an atheist is that we (yes, I am atheist) never get the chance to say "I told you so". Yet, this statement is based on the assumption that the only form of afterlife is heaven in a judeo-christian sense. We may yet have a chance to say "I told you so" just, I believe, not in heaven.

Sorry, that just irked me a little bit; it's nothing important.

Now to the more important point, it seems that your site is not so much dedicated to atheism as it is logic, analytical skills (critical thinking), and open-mindedness. Yet, because many of the people lacking these traits tend to fall into religion, you, as many others, have chosen to attack religions (in particular, Christianity). There is a difference between fighting for atheism and fighting for those other traits; a fight for the latter largely precludes the use of rhetorical language, only what is required for a sound arguement. Otherwise, you may be seen as hypocritical and will not be trusted (ultimately hurting your cause). On the other hand, a fight for atheism allows rhetorical language. In fact, one can be as 'fundamentalist' an atheist as one can be a Christian. Because atheism and theism are both based on faith, while logic is a great rhetorical strategy, it is not required, and its ultimate weakness lies in the fact that it can only suggest a possibility, but cannot conclusively prove it (as is true for all things, but on less touchy subjects people generally agree on certain axioms). Anyhow, the point is that, while I haven't looked at every article, it doesn't seem like you're totally clear on which you're supporting.

Why does it matter? It seems to me that atheists tend to confuse the two as one thing (i.e. atheism = logical, analytical, open-minded thinking). Furthermore, it seems that a lot more progress could be made if you, not only fought illogical idiocy directly, but perhaps at the root (admittedly, I honestly believe it's a nearly unsolvable problem and the only recourse is to, ironically, have a 1984-style program to eliminate mysticism and then replace it with good ol' education in logic and science). Anyway, I know it can be easy to confuse religion/theism with idiocy, but the two are seperate, albeit highly related, entities.

It's 2:20 AM, I hope you excuse me for not proof-reading the comment, if there are any grammatical or spelling errors, my apologies. If there are any logic or organization errors, again, my apology, and I hope you could still take something out of it (the more you know, right?)


(I suppose the email ruins the serious tone of this comment =P)

Jairo Mejia said...
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Admin said...

Jairo, I noticed that you are the author of the book you were recommending.

I appreciate that you visited my site, and you can note yourself as the author of the book in a signature or something when you post, but to write a comment about it in an unrelated post is not appropriate.

I can re-instate the comment if you can tell me why it wasn't self-serving spam.