Wednesday, March 4, 2009

Our laws are not from biblical commandments

One of the most infuriating and baffling assertions that Christians make, and they make it often, is that the laws of Western developed countries are based on the 10 commandments of the Bible. They use such arguments to try to get religious monuments on the grounds of courts.

This is complete and utter bullshit! I never cease to be astounded every time this argument is presented. I'm not sure if the problem is that these Christians haven't read the commandments (or most parts of their precious Bible), or if they just have a very poor understanding of law, but our laws have very little to do with the commandments.

I used Wikipedia to help me sort out the commandments as they vary from version to version of the books, so we actually have 12 different rules to examine. More data points are always welcomed.

1. I am the lord your god.

Not even a rule, just a statement of supposed fact. No evidence to back it up.

2. You shall have no other gods before me.

Not a law.

3. You shall not make for yourself an idol.

Not a law.

4. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your god.

Not a law.

5. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

Not a law.

6. Honor your father and mother.

Not a law.

7. You shall not murder.

This is a law in most countries, unless your leader tells you to go kill people from another country.

8. You shall not commit adultery.

Not a law.

9. You shall not steal.

This is a law in most countries.

10. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.

This is a law in most countries, but only sometimes. It is illegal to lie about your neighbour as a witness in court, but not if you're just trashing him behind his back in social situations. In most daily situations lying is not illegal, only socially unacceptable.

11. You shall not covet your neighbour's wife.

Not a law.

12. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbour.

Not a law.

So as we see, only 2 of these rules are reasonably solid laws, with a third rule which is a law sometimes, but not in daily life. It doesn't seem to me like the laws of Western countries are based on these rules at all. If we could have only figured out about the murder, lying and stealing from the Bible, why then did the Hindus and Buddhists also figure it out? Also, why does the biblical god allow us to kill our slaves? And why can't it obey the fricking laws itself? Oh well, these questions will have to be answered another time.


Anonymous said...

A matter of opinion, at best. You really are afraid of something, aren't you? Take a zoloft.

Admin said...

A matter of opinion? What, the fact that the commandments are not laws is not convincing in a thread about the commandments not being laws?

Would you like to back up your statement with some of your religious hand-waving?

And please, tell me what I'm afraid of! I need to be saved from my fear! If only somebody had a book I could read to make me feel better. Sigh.

Anonymous said...

My mother is NOT religious. She claims to be amidst her fits of rage against me, her daughter, who has tiptoed on eggshells - no, broken glass - her whole life, trying to be good enough, or 'worth being born' in her eyes (she would point out this run-on sentence as a retired school teacher, too). She claims, in these fits, that I am evil because I have not accepted religion into my life.

Well, she never expected that of me as a child (no church, no Sunday school, no readings from the bible), and, my childhood was so messed up I doubt I would have believed in God or Jesus anyway (alcholism, abuse, drug abuse, neglect).

Today, after 'kicking me out of the house' for not looking her in the eye when she was speaking to me, she told me I could not take my laptop, or my car with me unless I could recite 4 of the 10 commandments (I am 25 years old, and pay $500 in rent to live in her home - quietly and in a cleanly manor - each month). The only one I knew was 'honour thy mother and father' because she stuffs that down my throat all the time...

When I couldn't think of more, she preceded to hit me over the head with a hard covered bible, repeatedly...

Amazing how this gesture represents how I feel about religion.

Thanks for the lesson Mom! Maybe now I will be saved…

Josh Reynolds said...

I'd like to point out that in some areas of the States we can't buy alcohol on Sundays. I think this is the last (enforced) law involving honoring the sabbath.

P.U.S.H 365 said...

ok you said that you found all your research through using stated "I used Wikipedia to help me sort out the commandments as they vary from version to version of the books, so we actually have 12 different rules to examine. More data points are always welcomed".

Don't get me wrong Wikipedia is a great source for info...But overall the Bible is the BEST SOURCE...Why would you look up the commandments in Wikipedia...The scriptures say in Matthew 7:7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock,and it will be opened to you.

I don't know you...but if you "don't believe in God...why search the must want to try to find God's faults so you won't believe...Go deeper if you want on the commandments,instead of reading it like a sentence..think "why do we need the commandment -LAW- in this world...ask yourself that question...Most of all I will pray and hope that you give Jesus Christ a chance in your life..any question email me if you like....

Admin said...

Well P.U.S.H., I used Wikipedia because it is a fast way to get a list of the commandments from the Bible. Are you denying that the list of commandments is accurate? And I see you also nicely avoided admitting that these commandments are not laws, instead telling me to search for why we NEED them. The post's arguments stands.

I have a book of fairy tales that says if you look at the end of the rainbow, you'll find a pot of gold. Good luck in your search!