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I would argue that any being that creates any othe...

2012-01-25T07:16:18.800+09:00

I would argue that any being that creates any other being simply so the original can use the creations to "glorify" himself is a being not worth the glory.

Do you think god sat around on a cloud in heaven and thought, "Well, shit. No one is around to glorify me through all eternity. This needs to stop."? So then god created humans, murdered a shit-ton of them, and finally sent himself down to die for himself, only to teach the rest of his creations that we should spend eternity glorifying him?

I could think of no greater waste of my time and effort than to endlessly praise some invisible, uncaring deity with massive ego issues.

Also, all of your answers are merely assertions. ...

2012-01-25T06:25:03.940+09:00

Also, all of your answers are merely assertions. You are unable to back up anything that you write. All of your answers boil down to, "Yahweh did it so we can glorify".

Where is the evidence of any this?

Well, you did it! You made me laugh! Let me coun...

2012-01-25T06:16:30.661+09:00

Well, you did it! You made me laugh! Let me count the ways:

"When evolutionists answer questions like these, they answer them with an evolutionist bias!"

You mean a bias towards the truth and the evidence?

"He created us to be SMART, and equipped us with the guidelines and knowledge to figure out Quantum Mechanics, and Science, and Art, and Culture, and soooo many other things! He wanted us to uncover all these amazing things so we can glorify him for creating them!"

Really? We were created SMART? Then why are so many of us so utterly stupid? You think the average Joe Redneck in the trailer in the US has any idea about quantum mechanics? Why didn't your god allow Joe Redneck to glorify it? Are you even familiar with the famous quote that anybody who thinks they understand quantum mechanics, doesn't?

"God gave us a set of guidelines (Ever read the ten commandments? Or any scripture in Psalms or Proverbs? Or in the Bible at all? *awkward silence*)."

Yes, awkward silence. In my 13+ years of Catholic schooling and my years doing this site, I have never once opened a bible.

"Why is the fossil record arranged in such a way as to suggest evolution?
ITS NOT! Ever heard of the Cambrian Explosion? Which macro evolutionists apparently can't explain....hmm...."

Yes, I've heard of the Cambrian explosion. No, it is not unexplainable and no, it does not rule out evolution. Did you learn this from a scientist or a preacher? It DOES however, rule out biblical creationism. There weren't any horses there.

"Why can we see objects that are billions of light years away?
We can see them because God wants us to see them!"

Not only did you make me laugh, but you don't even seem to understand the critical significance of this question, and how it also rules out young-Earth creationism.

"If my 'word choice' or whatever that you might ridicule me for because its not up to scientific par bothers you, Im sorry, but Im only fourteen"

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm going to go back and clean up my post a bit. Seriously, I was swearing at you and everything. I'll be nicer.

"and I think my answers are pretty good for that."

Ummm.... no. Sorry, but they're not.

"I don't need to be educated in a college to know what the truth in the bible says."

Don't tell all of the bible universities that one.

Young one, I encourage you to read and to learn about what science is and what the evidence says about the origins of the Universe and life.

Yes, these questions will be answered with a super...

2012-01-25T05:26:06.971+09:00

Yes, these questions will be answered with a supernatural bias, I suppose. I am a Christian! When evolutionists answer questions like these, they answer them with an evolutionist bias!
Okay, just to pick a random few questions:
"Does Your Holy Book account for things like quantum mechanics? Why doesn't it seem to contain much useful knowledge at all?"
No, the bible does not account for Quantum Mechanics, however God created people for the sole purpose of his glorification. He created us to be SMART, and equipped us with the guidelines and knowledge to figure out Quantum Mechanics, and Science, and Art, and Culture, and soooo many other things! He wanted us to uncover all these amazing things so we can glorify him for creating them!
The Bible has all the useful knowledge you need! God gave us a set of guidelines (Ever read the ten commandments? Or any scripture in Psalms or Proverbs? Or in the Bible at all? *awkward silence*). He wants us to use these guidelines in everything we do and we will succeed in whatever we do as long as we follow him and what we do glorifies him!

Next Question:
Why is the fossil record arranged in such a way as to suggest evolution?
ITS NOT! Ever heard of the Cambrian Explosion? Which macro evolutionists apparently can't explain....hmm....

Why can we see objects that are billions of light years away?
We can see them because God wants us to see them! Once again, he equipped us with the knowledge to uncover his glory and wonder through the wonderful, AMAZING creations he's made, like comets, and supernovas, and suns, and galaxies, and things we haven't even found yet!

If my 'word choice' or whatever that you might ridicule me for because its not up to scientific par bothers you, Im sorry, but Im only fourteen, and I think my answers are pretty good for that. I don't need to be educated in a college to know what the truth in the bible says.

Also, I hope you are not an agnostic. They are al...

2011-12-28T17:19:11.820+09:00

Also, I hope you are not an agnostic. They are almost worse than the devout religious. At least the devout have taken a stand and picked a side. Agnostics just sit on the fence, playing Pascal's Wager. Let me fill you in on a little something I learned back when I believed in gods.

If you only believe in god because you are afraid of what happens if you are wrong, it's the same as not believing in them. Because god requires faith. Not people playing the odds.

Why should an atheist compromise? Would you ask a...

2011-12-28T17:14:46.568+09:00

Why should an atheist compromise? Would you ask a religious person to compromise and say that their religion is true, but no gods exist? And how should an atheist compromise? By agreeing that gods exist? That would defeat the point of being an atheist. How about atheists say there are no gods, but a supernatural being wrote the Bible? No, that would be the same...

Let me know what you come up with.

The saddest part about all of this is that “Just” ...

2011-12-28T16:13:15.682+09:00

The saddest part about all of this is that “Just” is making valid points with a scientific backing. He is pointing out where science and religion overlap, not blindly excluding the two based on a poor understanding of religion or science. The two go hand in hand, but FAR too many people are too blind to see it. I swear, atheists can be far more closed-minded and ignorant than their counterparts sometimes... the majority of this post just reveals what most people know about fervent, uncompromising atheists. They are hypocrites and hateful. -agnostic

I watched the video. Pretty funny that he chose M...

2011-09-01T12:09:47.920+09:00

I watched the video. Pretty funny that he chose Michael Behe to support his argument, as Behe does not appear to be a young-Earth creationist, but an intelligent design advocate. Also, as the bacterial flagellum was the focus of the video, perhaps our friend should go research the Dover trial, in which this argument and Behe lost, as it is not evidence of anything. It's not evidence according to science, and it isn't evidence according to a court presided over by a Christian judge, either. In fact, that judge, in his summary, accused the Behe side of repeatedly LYING to support their case.

Seeding doubt in the currently accepted theory and supporting your own are two different things, and our anonymous student friend should remember that for his studies.

"Please know that I totally respect your opin...

2011-09-01T10:47:35.142+09:00

"Please know that I totally respect your opinion, I just don't believe you're right"

Please know that I have no respect for your opinion, and I think you're a moron. You believe a fantasy, despite the evidence. It's a nice story you tell, if we ignore the factual errors. You did make me laugh, but there is no evidence for anything you say, and in fact, the evidence we have opposes what you say. I don't think you could finish the list. I dare you to attempt the advanced questions. We need a good laugh here lately.

stumbleupon rules!

2011-04-06T18:15:11.505+09:00

stumbleupon rules!

@Admin, Wasn't it Abraham, a man, who had sta...

2011-03-18T05:56:03.313+09:00

@Admin,

Wasn't it Abraham, a man, who had started Judaism, which led to Christianity and Islam? The thing with humans is one of our worst inventions. The invention of lying. Also, it could have easily been changed by the many generations before us. The Bible, was written by man, and could easily be false. As we see today, man is crooked and evil. For those that aren't getting what I'm saying. History tends to repeat it self, quite often.

Was that last comment a joke, or was it a serious ...

2011-03-10T18:40:22.525+09:00

Was that last comment a joke, or was it a serious attempt to answer question #3? Either way, you made me laugh, which is the point of the post. So congratulations. You think that SOLVES the problems? The way I see it, it makes it a whole lot worse.

And seriously, is that your ONLY point of contention with my entire post? If so, looks like you're not on very solid ground, my brainless fundie friend.

your ark ideas are fucking stupid. if u did any re...

2011-03-10T18:35:16.498+09:00

your ark ideas are fucking stupid. if u did any research before u wrote this u would know that according to the bible noah only brought 2 of every unclean animal.... pigs crows and other un-eatable animals according to jewish tradition. He than brought 7 of every other kind including cows chickens and other animals so that 5 could be eatin over the 40 days........ moron

"Of course, the Bible was written by humans. ...

2011-03-01T07:59:07.120+09:00

"Of course, the Bible was written by humans. Just like science textbooks are written by humans and experiments are done by humans"

Right. Except that anyone can write a Holy Book and put whatever they want in it and claim that it is real and beyond testing.

However, when you write a book based on facts (science books, math books, etc.), anyone can test it and prove how real it is.

And even though experiments are conducted by humans, real scientific testing is done in such a way that it removes humans from the testing so that they do not interfere with the results. This is why they have controls and variables. And why they constantly test and retest everything. Even if a human interfered with the test, they would retest to remove the human factor.

The point is, humans made up the Bible and every religious text out there. They made up everything inside those books too. However, with science books, we DISCOVERED the answers and facts. Things in science books were true before we found them, and they will be true after we are gone. Your post reads like humans just made up a bunch of "facts" and threw a book together. In fact, 2+2 will always equal 4, whether or not a human writes it in a book, or an alien, or a robot, or hell, even if there is no one in existence to write a book, it will still be true.

But religion can only exist when people refuse to question their environment.

"I just wanted to point out that perhaps the ...

2011-02-28T16:04:14.113+09:00

"I just wanted to point out that perhaps the argument that because the Bible was written by humans makes it automatically false is a bit flimsy."

That is not my argument at all. My argument is because all of the real-world evidence points away from it, it's false. Biblical creationism is absolutely ruled-out by the evidence, from nearly all fields of natural science.

"I was also wondering what type of Creationism you might be referring to considering there are several. That is, the Young Earth Creationism, which tends to place the Earth younger than 10,000 years old to Theistic Creation, where God as seen as a watchmaker who set everything in motion and left and to everything in between."

Biblical creationism. The 6-day, anti-evolution, Noah's flood, anti-science bullshit spewed by nearly half of all Americans and majorities in many parts of the world.

"p.s. scientists seem to curse a lot."

Fuck, yeah.

Just a thought. Of course, the Bible was written ...

2011-02-28T15:57:49.880+09:00

Just a thought.

Of course, the Bible was written by humans. Just like science textbooks are written by humans and experiments are done by humans.

Now I do not want people to misconstrue my previous comment as a firm believer in Creationism or otherwise. I just wanted to point out that perhaps the argument that because the Bible was written by humans makes it automatically false is a bit flimsy.

I was also wondering what type of Creationism you might be referring to considering there are several. That is, the Young Earth Creationism, which tends to place the Earth younger than 10,000 years old to Theistic Creation, where God as seen as a watchmaker who set everything in motion and left and to everything in between. I understand that it does not matter in terms of creationists answers commonly posed question to them make you laugh, but just for my own knowledge.

p.s. scientists seem to curse a lot.

By the way, it's great to see the last guest u...

2011-02-25T07:30:09.376+09:00

By the way, it's great to see the last guest use so many of the oldest tricks in the book, all in one comment:

1. You just hate (my choice of) god

2. You just want to sin

3. Why don't atheists just shut up?

<> Yet another perfect example of, "Wh...

2011-02-25T07:27:17.002+09:00

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Yet another perfect example of, "Why don't atheists just shut up?"

"If no one here cares about what those of faith believe, then why have a blog about it?"

You've missed the most important part. I don't care what you believe as long as you keep me out of it, keep it out of my education system, keep it out of politics, out of world events, stop coming to my door to tell me about it, etc.

"Seems to me that you are more of a god hater than an Atheist."

I don't hate things that don't exist.

"Most Atheist's (sic) that I know don't care at all about what others believe and don't care about proving or disproving anything."

So what? Who do you know? Maybe if their religious friends wouldn't just tell them to shut up, they would be more vocal.

"You say that people of faith are trying to convert you however, it seems as though you yourself are trying to convert them."

When did I go to a person's door and tell them to deconvert? I write here. You got a problem with that?

"Sounds like you want to be a "BIG BOY" and do what ever you want, whenever you want and you don't want "MOMMY and DADDY" (god) telling you what to do."

I have never received any orders from a god, nor has any evidence been shown to me that they even exist. Sounds like you're a "LITTLE BOY" who needs somebody to tell you what to do because you're too weak to make your own decisions and live your own life.

If no one here cares about what those of faith bel...

2011-02-25T07:18:30.610+09:00

If no one here cares about what those of faith believe, then why have a blog about it? Seems to me that you are more of a God hater than an Atheist. Most Atheist's that I know don't care at all about what others believe and don't care about proving or disproving anything. You say that people of faith are trying to convert you however, it seems as though you yourself are trying to convert them. Sounds like you want to be a "BIG BOY" and do what ever you want, whenever you want and you don't want "MOMMY and DADDY" (God) telling you what to do.

Wow, i have enjoyed reading your "debate"...

2011-02-03T10:09:24.988+09:00

Wow, i have enjoyed reading your "debate" with this just character. He calls you ignorant yet believes in his own mix of christianity and science.
Just a question for you just, what bible do you read or "study" from?
And do you understand that the bible was written by humans and since we are apparently all flawed wouldn't that make the bible flawed and incorrect? Thus false?
To believe the "science" of the bible is to say that we have stopped growing and learning. That we have learned all there is to know.
REAL science has gaps and the ability to change because we are still growing as a species!
Just to let you know the bible can't be god's words if written by human hand and if it is then why are there bibles with red words that jesus was said to have said?
Everything that Jim and the others have said (typed) against christianity can't be used against them. Theories are meant to be tested repeatably, criticized that's the whole point. You can't test something that is not real.
You are the one treating science like you see your creationists ideals, as a whole completely finished idea. You're just making it easier for them to tear it apart. Science on the other hand is flexible and still expanding. These holes you're so obsessed about are being filled by hard working scientists who are actively searching for the truth.
I am an atheist and am currently studying at university pursuing a degree in science. I am ashamed to call you a fellow scientist, you fail to see reason and continue to push your false claims when they have obviously been shown false.
I feel like I am dealing with a twihard ie a stupid fan of a fictitious book who hopes vampires and werewolves are real. Get over yourself. If you want to prove something go to a fucking lab and present your (testable) findings to scientists world wide. If you can show true proof than you can "save" the planet from so-called "sin". Till then fuck off and please don't reproduce. The world doesn't need anymore idiots roaming around.

Wow, what a great stumble.I will add to my favouri...

2011-01-25T19:41:58.871+09:00

Wow, what a great stumble.I will add to my favourites. There is no way Just has a marine biology degree. Or any degree. Maybe a theology one. From a very bad college... I admire your patience. I would have given up long before. With respect, Phil.

Comment to #19: "19. To avoid the cruelty cau...

2011-01-25T19:38:27.255+09:00

Comment to #19:
"19. To avoid the cruelty caused by life killing other life to survive, couldn't we all have been photosynthetic organisms, using sunlight and inanimate molecules to make our energy? If you're going to say there's not enough energy in photosynthesis, why couldn't your god design a more effective photosynthetic system?"

In fact, ALL animals and plants are living on the photosynthesis since animals eat plants etc.

If all animals were "photosynthetic organisms", we would need LESS photosynthesis to support life as a whole.

Thanks to the last few commenters for the complime...

2011-01-25T16:55:49.683+09:00

Thanks to the last few commenters for the compliments and encouragement. And for those who read all of the comments, congratulations for making it through the entire thing! :-)

Wow... just... wow. I can't believe I've j...

2011-01-25T16:48:05.138+09:00

Wow... just... wow. I can't believe I've just spent an hour reading this entire post.
I'm just a simple carpenter, and a budding activistic atheist (after a life time sent hiding my light under a bushel) and I don't believe I've paused in my stumbling long enough to bother posting anything before, but you guys: Admin, Feki and Jim, have my respect and approbation!
The patience and forebearance you've shown is astounding. Thank you for some very lucid arguments, and helping me to crystalize my own belief structure: I now beileve that not just some, but all fundamental Christians are fucking wacked!

Thanks, and BTW, I've now got this site bookmarked for my future edification
Kind regards,
-Chris

Now this was an unbelievable fun read, believe it ...

2011-01-24T18:49:04.699+09:00

Now this was an unbelievable fun read, believe it or not but i've read it in 1 time through.

In a way i'm also glad that Just bended over backwards in every possible position, so that i everytime and from each statement that he made immediatly could read a clear and even for me easy to understand answer on all them. There were some things that i knew that werent true or even impossible, but that completely and without mistakes explaining is harder then it looks. Not for people like you ofcourse but i'm sure you know what i mean.

I also 'stumbled' here and i'm glad i have. Looking forward to reading lots more here.

I'll apologize already for the mistakes that will in my post, i'm Belgian so i only know school-english.